Why Jimianity

I guess the last post has enough comments to merit follow-up.

On this topic, during the rare occasions I’ve said my thoughts out loud, I’ve always said them out loud half laughingly, as if they are too silly to take serious. But I in fact am completely serious.

The Western empire, like the Roman empire, is shrinking and heading towards a final disappearing act. Now, they say that, since we have all this surveillance technology, instead of a disappearing act we might as well get a post-democratic 1984 dystopish Western government. I do not believe this, for surveillance technology requires a lot of maintenance and technical know-how, and it is exactly the group that is marginalized most in our supposed dystopia that is capable of performing said maintenance and know-how (white men). Need to keep your engineers happy, 1984 scenario does not keep engineers happy. Brave New World is similarly not our future, because it is increasingly obvious that our overlords are incapable of keeping their subjects drugged and happy.

So we are heading towards not 1984, not Brave New World, but towards shrinking, and a final disappearing act.

While a superorganism dies it is the perfect time to diagnose what ails it. Many such diagnoses exist for the West. By far the best diagnosis was given by Moldbug, father of neoreaction, who diagnosed the West with a terminal case of communism, which he later redefined to a terminal case of progressivism, which Spandrell later re-redefined to a terminal case of bioleninism.

But the truth is that no one cares about the diagnosis as much as they care about the cure: so I have stage 3 lymphomatic pancreatic cancer – great, how do I get rid of itIt is also in the cure that we find the definite answer for the correct diagnosis of the problem.

Such it was also with the end of the Roman empire: historians debate endlessly over what caused the fall of the Roman empire, point to a myriad of reasons, but in the end it seems to me that it is the biggest cure following the demise of the Roman empire is what tells us most decidedly what it was that killed the Roman empire. That cure was Christianity.

What is Christ’s message? Well, 2 messages, basically.

1) Be nice to your neighbor. That this message resonated so loudly throughout the flailing Roman empire, so loudly throughout the Middle ages up to the industrial revolution, tells us that the fall of the Roman empire was due to people not being nice to their neighbor, and that once people decided to be nice to each other, they achieved great things.

2) That the only way to achieve these great things is through Jesus, son of the Holy Father. The path is through me. We see this sentiment echoed all over holy texts: in order to get your core message to work, need to make sure everyone is on the same page. If person A says he is nice to his neighbor because Jesus tells him so, it might be entirely different from person B saying he is nice to his neighbor because Jeezy tells him so. In fact, person B might and will probably subtly undermine person A and/or Jesus. So, Jesus established himself as the highest moral authority, just as Moses did with the 10 commandments: any morality but mine is the morality of a false idol.

Thus said Jesus: ‘use my story to work together and you shall be rewarded!’ and it turned out he was right. Christians colonized America, invented electricity, penicillin, computers, discovered evolution. Conquered the world, pretty much.

Now, in [The Current Year], approximately 200 years after the industrial revolution, Christianity is dead, or more specifically: it has been mutated into an abomination that tells us we need to be nice to our enemies, which is of course just short-hand for telling us that we should hate ourselves. This is not Christ’s fault: parasitation and entryism is simply bound to happen after Christianity fixed the problem it was supposed to fix.

So, back to the dying Western empire. We have multiple solid diagnoses, but the pressing question remains: what is the cure?

The cure is Jimianity.

Well, of course I don’t know if Jimianity is the cure, but my gut feeling is pretty strong.

I can’t summarize Jim as quickly as I can summarize Jesus, because it is too early to tell what part of Jim’s gospel will really make the difference. Jim can mean different things to different people. I like his stuff on women. His demand for throne, altar, freehold seems important also. His answer for the JQ is excellent also. Many things. Time will tell.

Jimianity is very much like Christianity, in that it re-establishes solid rules for cooperation. You could say that while Christ advised to cooperate by trusting others until proven otherwise, Jim advises to cooperate by distrusting others until proven otherwise, although once again I am summarizing Jim in a way that does not do him justice. Nonetheless, other comparisons, and I am just spitballing at this moment:
Jesus died for our sins so you don’t have to, Jim hides from Sauron’s eye so you don’t have to.
Jesus performed miracles so you don’t have to, Jim debates strangers on the internet so you don’t have to.

What Elon Musk misses to colonize Mars, what Trump misses to proclaim himself God-Emperor, all this is addressed and answered for.

I do not want to oversell Jimianity because I feel like if it does what I think it can do, there is no need to oversell it; the demand will present itself. My thoughts are that, essentially, if white men want to reconquer society and colonize space, they have no choice but to resort to Jimianity, or something very similar to it.

So, we have the cure, in theory, but just as we saw with Christianity, we need to ensure Jimians are on the same page, not being fed pages from Jim-imitating parasites, or, as we are currently facing, Christians still clinging to Christ. We do this by elevating Jim as the highest moral authority. There is little risk of Jim abusing his authority, for he is old and unlikely to change in character. The upside is the same upside Christianity experienced: by following Jim’s gospel we establish an accepted set of rules, rules which are righteous and fair, rules which will propel those who follow it into the next Golden Age, be that 50, 100 or 1000 years from now.

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14 thoughts on “Why Jimianity

  1. Jesus died for our sins so you don’t have to, Jim hides from Sauron’s eye so you don’t have to.
    Jesus performed miracles so you don’t have to, Jim debates strangers on the internet so you don’t have to.

    Do you realize how gay that makes Jimianity sound? For all that you redpilled atheists like to dunk on Jesus for being weak or too nice or whatever, at least he’s not a scurrying rat whose greatest accomplishment is wasting time online.

  2. ” Such it was also with the end of the Roman empire: historians debate endlessly over what caused the fall of the Roman empire, point to a myriad of reasons, but in the end it seems to me that it is the biggest cure following the demise of the Roman empire is what tells us most decidedly what it was that killed the Roman empire. That cure was Christianity.”

    The Roman empire fell 1453 to Muslim conquest. By then it had been Christian for centuries and withstood Muslim attacks for centuries.

    How do you see Christianity as a cure to the problems of the late Roman empire? Or do you want to argue that Christianity cured the problems of early imperial Rome? If so, how?

    1. I tend to butcher history to make my points, but the Roman empire was in disarray long before 1453, as early as its 5th century schism.

      Christianity did not cure the late Roman empire, similarly to how chemotherapy can not cure a metastasized lung cancer, but it made a good attempt. Reasoning from the cure, I surmise the problem of the large empire was lack of cooperation; if ‘Roman’ was your only shared identity, not very cohesive, similarly to how ‘European’ is not a very cohesive identity. Christianity attempted to solve this problem by having ‘Christian’ as shared identity. Worked fairly well, but not enough to save what was already rotten. Worked miracles post-Roman empire, though.

      1. Lack of cooperation certainly is a problem of any larger empire. But in the last 500 years or so the Roman empire was no longer the multinational, multilingual empire it used to be. By then it was mostly Greek and not much else.

        Somehow that didn’t help with the lack of cooperation problem. The increased number of murdered emperors or the number of emperors that gained their office by coup might suggest it got even worse.

        Look at the history of Christian Europe. Lots of fairly small realms (at least in comparison to ancient Rome, Persia or China) that were almost constantly at war with each other. Europe even managed to have international wars of succession!.

        Now look at China, ancient Persia or ancient Rome (b.C). Do you still think that Christianity increased cooperation?

        1. Cooperation on paper does not necessarily mean cooperation in practice. I look at the British empire, the colonization and discovery of America, the Spanish empire, the Dutch empire, Western Europe as the cradle of the industrial revolution, and I can only conclude that, as far as religions go, Christianity greatly increased cooperation.

  3. Jim must name a successor, a Saint Peter, before he kicks the bucket. Need a big priest with a fancy hat on top to stop mutations and potential holiness spiral (although admittedly trying to imagine a holiness spiral in Jimianity kind of breaks one’s brain). But also important for us early Jimians not to think, talk or argue too much about the succession question, or we will find ourselves sucking Jim’s cock and bitching at each other rather than doing any serious thinking or advancing the cause of the faith.

  4. Need to read the Old Testament. Much modern Christianity is cucked because it is divorced from the Old Testament.

    You are obviously not a believer, and that’s fine, but Jim understands Christianity much better than you, as he references proverbs. At the very least read proverbs and Ecclesiastes before reading last rites over Christianity.

    A lot of modern churches are essentially marcionism, but the whole thing (christianity) is timeless for reasons, and one of those reasons is the consistency of human nature with what the Bible says, and how the world is broken in the way the Bible describes. It predicts human behaviour better than anything I’ve found so far.

    “Be nice” as Jesus message is a gross misunderstanding, perfectly understandable if you haven’t read the Bible, the whole thing, for yourself, but still a gross misunderstanding. Of all people, reactionaries should understand what Christianity was, classicly understood, as the modern bastardization represented in a lot of churches doesn’t represent its truth, just as modern governments are a gross bastardization of what we had before liberalism.

    Jesus wasn’t nice. Jesus said follow His example. What did he do? Not just die.

    1. I have read the bible, multiple times.

      Nothing is timeless on a large enough scale. Things change, evolve.

      I’ve read the story of Jesus many times. He said more things than ‘just be nice’, but he stressed the friendliness part more than he stressed any other part. Was relevant then, not so relevant now; its own success killed it.

      1. If things change and evolve, utopia is possible, because eventually people may change to be adequate to it. Why not pursue socialism in this case instead of pursuing a reactionary utopia?

        If the world is broken, has been broken from nearly the beginning, and human nature has not improved from the Fall, then every form of government has and will continue to have the seed of its own destruction within it, because the fault lies in the people rather than being entirely in the form of government. In this case there is no permanent solution, there are just coping mechanisms.

        In my opinion, your understanding of Jesus as stressing friendliness more than any other aspect of life is the misunderstanding that is common to most people. What if this is not the historical understanding of Christianity? The gospel of John stresses love for other believers, but not suicidal altruism.

        1. If things change and evolve, utopia is possible, because eventually people may change to be adequate to it.

          No, because they change and evolve within Gnon’s laws. Slow, biological.

          Why not pursue socialism in this case instead of pursuing a reactionary utopia?

          Because Jim says so. Though it will not be a utopia.

          In this case there is no permanent solution

          Well of course, that is the thing about the Dark Enlightenment.

          there are just coping mechanisms.

          That is nihilism speaking. There is joy in realizing our limits, for within our limits we discover our potential.

          The gospel of John stresses love for other believers, but not suicidal altruism.

          Do not remember it saying that, remember it saying Jesus is divine and God’s love etc.

        2. I’m glad you’re starting these discussions, Alf.

          The problem I see with jimianity, Alf, is that most people, even most people in the West do see the next life as extremely important, and need a way of orienting themselves in this life in a way that they think will optimise their position in the next. I think this is existentially, and empirically true.

          Religion is not about civilisation building. That is incidental. Religion is about man, his soul, and the next life. If jim continues to ignore the actual role of religion in man’s life, then his restoration will go nowhere.

          Christianity suffers from the fact that it is based upon an event that happened in time (the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ), but somehow we are meant to work out that it is true (how?), and this is not the hardest part of Christianity: the hardest part of Christianity is that no one actually knows how to be one. Start down the path on discovering what true Christianity is and you will be presented with an infinity of paths and digressions from which there is no ending.

          Until someone solves this, jim will fail, the restoration will fail, we will fail.

          (PS it is also bad form to repeatedly deny that Jesus Christ actually rose from the dead. There is a reason jim has stopped doing it.)

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